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and　he　made　a　written　reply　to　that　application；　and　one　portion　of

it　is　in　these　words：



〃What　is　the　foundation　of　this　appeal　to　me　in　Indiana　to　liberate

the　slaves　under　my　care　in　Kentucky？　　It　is　a　general　declaration　in

the　act　announcing　to　the　world　the　independence　of　the　thirteen

American　colonies；　that　men　are　created　equal。　　Now；　as　an　abstract

principle；　there　is　no　doubt　of　the　truth　of　that　declaration；　and　it

is　desirable　in　the　original　construction　of　society；　and　in

organized　societies；　to　keep　it　in　view　as　a　great　fundamental

principle。〃



When　I　sometimes；　in　relation　to　the　organization　of　new　societies　in

new　countries；　where　the　soil　is　clean　and　clear；　insisted　that　we

should　keep　that　principle　in　view；　Judge　Douglas　will　have　it　that　I

want　a　negro　wife。　　He　never　can　be　brought　to　understand　that　there

is　any　middle　ground　on　this　subject。　　I　have　lived　until　my　fiftieth

year；　and　have　never　had　a　negro　woman　either　for　a　slave　or　a　wife；

and　I　think　I　can　live　fifty　centuries；　for　that　matter；　without

having　had　one　for　either。　　I　maintain　that　you　may　take　Judge

Douglas's　quotations　from　my　Chicago　speech；　and　from　my　Charleston

speech；　and　the　Galesburgh　speech；in　his　speech　of　to…day；and

compare　them　over；　and　I　am　willing　to　trust　them　with　you　upon　his

proposition　that　they　show　rascality　or　double…dealing。　　I　deny　that

they　do。



The　Judge　does　not　seem　at　all　disposed　to　have　peace；　but　I　find　he

is　disposed　to　have　a　personal　warfare　with　me。　　He　says　that　my　oath

would　not　be　taken　against　the　bare　word　of　Charles　H。　　Lanphier　or

Thomas　L。　　Harris。　　Well；　that　is　altogether　a　matter　of　opinion。　　It

is　certainly　not　for　me　to　vaunt　my　word　against　oaths　of　these

gentlemen；　but　I　will　tell　Judge　Douglas　again　the　facts　upon　which　I

〃dared〃　to　say　they　proved　a　forgery。　　I　pointed　out　at　Galesburgh

that　the　publication　of　these　resolutions　in　the　Illinois　State

Register　could　not　have　been　the　result　of　accident；　as　the

proceedings　of　that　meeting　bore　unmistakable　evidence　of　being　done

by　a　man　who　knew　it　was　a　forgery；　that　it　was　a　publication　partly

taken　from　the　real　proceedings　of　the　Convention；　and　partly　from

the　proceedings　of　a　convention　at　another　place；　which　showed　that

he　had　the　real　proceedings　before　him；　and　taking　one　part　of　the

resolutions；　he　threw　out　another　part；　and　substituted　false　and

fraudulent　ones　in　their　stead。　　I　pointed　that　out　to　him；　and　also

that　his　friend　Lanphier；　who　was　editor　of　the　Register　at　that　time

and　now　is；　must　have　known　how　it　was　done。　　Now；　whether　he　did　it；

or　got　some　friend　to　do　it　for　him；　I　could　not　tell；　but　he

certainly　knew　all　about　it。　　I　pointed　out　to　Judge　Douglas　that　in

his　Freeport　speech　he　had　　promised　to　investigate　that　matter。

Does　he　now　say　that　he　did　not　make　that　promise？　　　I　have　a　right

to　ask　why　he　did　not　keep　it。　　I　call　upon　him　to　tell　here　to…day

why　he　did　not　keep　that　promise？　　That　fraud　has　been　traced　up　so

that　it　lies　between　him；　Harris；　and　Lanphier。　　There　is　little　room

for　escape　for　Lanphier。　　Lanphier　is　doing　the　Judge　good　service；

and　Douglas　desires　his　word　to　be　taken　for　the　truth。　　He　desires

Lanphier　to　be　taken　as　authority　in　what　he　states　in　his　newspaper。

He　desires　Harris　to　be　taken　as　a　man　of　vast　credibility；　and　when

this　thing　lies　among　them；　they　will　not　press　it　to　show　where　the

guilt　really　belongs。　　Now；　as　he　has　said　that　he　would　investigate

it；　and　implied　that　he　would　tell　us　the　result　of　his

investigation；　I　demand　of　him　to　tell　why　he　did　not　investigate　it；

if　he　did　not；　and　if　he　did；　why　he　won't　tell　the　result。　　I　call

upon　him　for　that。



This　is　the　third　time　that　Judge　Douglas　has　assumed　that　he　learned

about　these　resolutions　by　Harris's　attempting　to　use　them　against

Norton　on　the　floor　of　Congress。　　I　tell　Judge　Douglas　the　public

records　of　the　country　show　that　he　himself　attempted　it　upon

Trumbull　a　month　before　Harris　tried　them　on　Norton；　that　Harris　had

the　opportunity　of　learning　it　from　him；　rather　than　he　from　Harris。

I　now　ask　his　attention　to　that　part　of　the　record　on　the　case。　　My

friends；　I　am　not　disposed　to　detain　you　longer　in　regard　to　that

matter。



I　am　told　that　I　still　have　five　minutes　left。　　There　is　another

matter　I　wish　to　call　attention　to。　　He　says；　when　he　discovered

there　was　a　mistake　in　that　case；　he　came　forward　magnanimously；

without　my　calling　his　attention　to　it；　and　explained　it。　　I　will

tell　you　how　he　became　so　magnanimous。　　When　the　newspapers　of　our

side　had　discovered　and　published　it；　and　put　it　beyond　his　power　to

deny　it；　then　he　came　forward　and　made　a　virtue　of　necessity　by

acknowledging　it。　　Now　he　argues　that　all　the　point　there　was　in

those　resolutions；　although　never　passed　at　Springfield；　is　retained

by　their　being　passed　at　other　localities。　　Is　that　true？　　He　said　I

had　a　hand　in　passing　them；　in　his　opening　speech；　that　I　was　in　the

convention　and　helped　to　pass　them。　　Do　the　resolutions　touch　me　at

all？　　It　strikes　me　there　is　some　difference　between　holding　a　man

responsible　for　an　act　which　he　has　not　done　and　holding　him

responsible　for　an　act　that　he　has

done。　　You　will　judge　whether　there　is　any　difference　in　the　〃spots。〃

And　he　has　taken　credit　for　great　magnanimity　in　coming　forward　and

acknowledging　what　is　proved　on　him　beyond　even　the　capacity　of　Judge

Douglas　to　deny；　and　he　has　more　capacity　in　that　way　than　any　other

living　man。



Then　he　wants　to　know　why　I　won't　withdraw　the　charge　in　regard　to　a

conspiracy　to　make　slavery　national；　as　he　has　withdrawn　the　one　he

made。　　May　it　please　his　worship；　I　will　withdraw　it　when　it　is

proven　false　on　me　as　that　was　proven　false　on　him。　　I　will　add　a

little　more　than　that；　I　will　withdraw　it　whenever　a　reasonable　man

shall　be　brought　to　believe　that　the　charge　is　not　true。　　I　have

asked　Judge　Douglas's　attention　to　certain　matters　of　fact　tending　to

prove　the　charge　of　a　conspiracy　to　nationalize　slavery；　and　he　says

he　convinces　me　that　this　is　all　untrue　because　Buchanan　was　not　in

the　country　at　that　time；　and　because　the　Dred　Scott　case　had　not

then　got　into　the　Supreme　Court；　and　he　says　that　I　say　the

Democratic　owners　of　Dred　Scott　got　up　the　case。　　I　never　did　say

that　I　defy　Judge　Douglas　to　show　that　I　ever　said　so；　for　I　never

uttered　it。　　＇One　of　Mr。　Douglas's　reporters　gesticulated

affirmatively　at　Mr。　Lincoln。＇　I　don't　care　if　your　hireling　does　say

I　did；　I　tell　you　myself　that　I　never　said　the　〃Democratic〃　owners　of

Dred　Scott　got　up　the　case。　　I　have　never　pretended　to　know　whether

Dred　Scott's　owners　were　Democrats；　or　Abolitionists；　or　Freesoilers

or　Border　Ruffians。　　I　have　said　that　there　is　evidence　about　the

case　tending　to　show　that　it　was　a　made…up　case；　for　the　purpose　of

getting　that　decision。　　I　have　said　that　that　evidence　was　very

strong　in　the　fact　tha